3d visualization

[john doe]

Hi all

I did not found any thread about 3d visualization so if anyone interested let me know.
Lets try to exchange experience about using NOVAPOINT, MX ROAD, C3D, 3DS MAX etc...

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a few examples of my work:

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[john doe]

anyone interested for 3d ...none? i m kind disappointed....

[george85]

Hi there John.
To be honest, I am only using 3d studio max (out of all those you mentioned) and I not an expert in it, a basic user. To be honest again, I have not heard about other applications you mention. Although Arcon looks pretty good, there are far more advanced applications than that one.

From the architectural point of view, the best 2d application is Autocad. 3d at Autocad is kinda difficult, especially when it comes to some free forms and shapes. Now, I am not saying that it is not possible, of course it is, most of the things that people do today, they do in Autocad. But Rhinoceros has more friendly interface and system when it comes to 3d free forms.
Archicad is the best BIM application. This means that some elements have been completely automatized and by drawing the wall in the floor plan, you are in the same time getting it into the 3d. Not to mention other it's possibilities. But again, when it comes to some free shape modeling, it is not so good.
Sketchup is very friendly, and comes in free version also. You can even design a Sidney opera in it, if you want, but still it is more "play" tool, not very professional (at least the free version, I did not tried the payed one).
3d max is probably the best 3d modeling application on the market. I have not had chance to learn using it a bit better, but it gives unimaginable opportunities for 3d modeling.

Rendering - some time ago, each application had its render engine(s). Now you can find the same rendering engines at different applications.
From my experience, german V-ray gives far best results.

Now, all this story depends, weather you live in first or second or third world countries. For example, at my internship in Netherlands, it was unimaginable that you can use a c- r -a - c -k --ed application at work. In Serbia, there are laws related to private ownership of the licenses on applications. But simply, nobody gives a damn, as there is no control. So you can freely use what ever software you want. There we come to the point of cost of these applications. If you work somewhere on the west, where licenses and copyright laws are respected, then you choice will in most cases be:
1) Autocad for 2d, and 3d
2) Autocad for 2d, and Rhinoceros for 3d
3) Autocad for 2d, and Sketchup for 3d.
4) Autocad and Revit for 2d, and 3d
5) Archicad for 2d and 3d.

So as you can see, usage of Autocad is essential, and the rest goes by choice.

If you do not, then you can choose what ever you like :) as long as your employer is satisfied with the results. And if I understood you correctly you are from Croatia. This means you can continue using the Arcon, as long as it gives pretty much good results, and you have a "license" for it :D

Pozdrav

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you are road engineer? Why do you need to do the renderings?

Here are an examples of the V-ray render for 3D Cinema and 3d studio max

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[john doe]

Hi m8
Yes, I'm road engineer, and it all started when I looked 'professional' visualization been prepared bypass that runs to some 50 meters from my building but I could not see any known object in the vicinity ...
Company for which I worked had an MX Road software that works in 3D ... one step to another ... and I went to the field of architecture that would render the completed buildings, as was the case It is necessary that the road passes through an urban area.
I am from Bosnia and Herzegovina so that the licenses are not a problem.

Some great plugins that I have chosen for 3ds max;
e-on Vue Xstream -

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forestpro -

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that the picture was complete and people are needed:

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These two are standalone but it has to export more acceptable format for 3ds max.

All of these can be found with a 'license' on the internet.

Pozdrav

[george85]

oh now I see.
You are in need of an application which is "ready to use". This means, a huge library of completed 3d objects is already imported into the application, so you can easily insert this objects (like houses, trees, people, vehicles) and make your road or bridge project look better or more realistic. Right?

Well in that case I can not help you much, as all above mentioned applications are not "ready to use", except for Archicad.

[john doe]

Hi m8

You get all wrong:)

With that aplications you get all at photorealistic level

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i use for sky with moving clouds etc. and sometimes for trees
it give you chance to make sky same as 'sky above Pariz 27.1.2011 at 11:30am' and u can compare it with real photo so there is nothing simillar with lets say v-ray sun ,or even populate big forrest in few clicks with realy fast rendering

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is great for people animation and give you chance to make your own people even make faces

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is easy to learn than

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but dont have all options
So all this software help you to render almost as is in nature.

raedy to use models

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and almost all this models can be found at internet.

[george85]

understood John. I do not have the time right now, to check those applications, but I will definitively check some of those when I do have some of it.

Thank you for sharing this useful info with the rest of the members.

john doe said: and almost all this models can be found at internet.

do you have any particular website on your mind?

[john doe]

hi m8

sure i do....or i can upload ...and thats i talking about all time....im not pro ..but almost....so i can help you with links, tips how to use...etc ..that was point of this topic....

[george85]

Great John.
Like I said, if I need the help around this applications, I will definitively let you know.

Hvala brate i pozdrav.

[shezira]

I do not think AutoCAD is essential, of course is essential to have good knowledge and management of a CAD application for AEC, in my case for years that do not use AutoCAD, the program is certainly more commercial but not the best.

I would recommend MicroStation. which to me is the best application. I learned in 98 version and then it was far more advanced than AutoCAD, now both have improved but the difference is not shortened.